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Another Hurricane Is Coming. But Helene Is Still Hurting.
CNN One Thing
Oct 9, 2024

As Hurricane Milton roars toward Florida’s Gulf Coast, communities there and across the Southeast are still rebuilding from Hurricane Helene, the second-deadliest hurricane to strike the United States mainland in the past 50 years. In this episode, we hear from a North Carolinian about how she survived and why she doesn’t have much faith in the federal government to help her recover and rebuild.?

Guest: Olivia Cooner

Episode Transcript
David Rind
00:00:00
As we post this, Nearly 20 million people are under hurricane or tropical storm warnings. Nearly the entire population of Florida as the state's Gulf Coast prepares for a direct hit from Hurricane Milton. And the warnings, especially in the Tampa Bay area, are stark. Florida's Attorney general, Ashley Moody, says if you're in an evacuation zone along the coast and have it left, don't expect to survive.
Ashley Moody
00:00:30
You probably need to write your name and permanent marker on your arm so that people know who you are when they get to you afterwards.
David Rind
00:00:37
Tampa isn't even done cleaning up from Hurricane Helene. And I don't mean that figuratively. Mayor Jane Castor says they spent the last few days gathering piles of debris that are laying around.
Jane Castor
00:00:49
Getting all of that picked up so that it doesn't become flying objects when it comes to visit.
David Rind
00:00:59
Now, Helene did hit Florida pretty hard, but what really struck me was that so much of the damage happened many hundreds of miles from where the storm actually made landfall. At least 235 people in six states have been killed. There are still more missing. And beyond the loss of life, the flooding left behind incredible damage, especially in western North Carolina.
Jake Tapper
00:01:26
So many people in areas surrounding Asheville have been literally cut off from the rest of the world.
Woman
00:01:31
Just rough. It's hard to see in the city like this.
Isabel Rosales
00:01:34
Some families tell CNN they've run out of drinking water and without electricity, their food is rotting.
Boris Sanchez
00:01:39
Rescue teams or navigating the rubble of highways still searching for survivors.
David Rind
00:01:44
The data analytics firm CoreLogic estimates the storm caused between 20 and $30 billion in uninsured flood losses. So after Halloween, we're left with some familiar questions. When do you rebuild? Do you rebuild it all? But now climate change is bringing those questions to areas of the country that never expected them. Today, we hear from one North Carolinian about what her road to recovery looks like and why she isn't counting on the federal government to be much help. From CNN, this is One Thing. I'm David Rind.
Olivia Cooner
00:02:30
Right now me and my boyfriend are staying with family in Topsail Island.
David Rind
00:02:36
That's in the eastern part of the state.
Olivia Cooner
00:02:38
Yeah, that's on the coast.
David Rind
00:02:41
And when did you get there?
Olivia Cooner
00:02:43
Just three days ago.
David Rind
00:02:47
This is Olivia schooner. She's an artist and acrylic painter. She lives with her boyfriend in the rural town of Burnsville, population about 1600, roughly 35 miles from Asheville. And for four days after the floodwaters arrived, they were two of those missing people I mentioned earlier. She says western North Carolina does get flooding from time to time. But on September 25th, no one was prepared for what was about to happen.
Olivia Cooner
00:03:22
We I think we went to town on Wednesday night. The streets were already starting to flood. And then we went back home. We live in Burnsville in Yancey County. It's about a 40 minute drive from Asheville. We went home and on the way home I was like, You know, maybe we should get groceries for a few days just in case the power goes out, just in case the roads near our house are flooded, just as a precaution. And I'm so glad we did. Friday morning at 5 a.m., we received an emergency alert saying flash flooding. This is a life threatening situation. Stay put. I was what the alert said, unless you've been told specifically to evacuate. So we were like, okay, well, we're not going to go anywhere because we took some flashlights outside at 5 a.m. when we got this alert and the roads were already starting to flood a little bit and we're like, okay, well, I mean, we live we live above the Cain River, which is about four feet deep. And at that point, the river had risen up to probably about eight, nine feet. Wow. Which is kind of where the the bottom of the bridge would be.
David Rind
00:04:30
Have you ever seen it that high before?
Olivia Cooner
00:04:32
No, I haven't. Well, historically, the Cane River has only risen up ten feet. That's the highest it's ever gotten from any kind of storm. And it was already there in the beginning of Friday morning. My boyfriend and his house sits 30ft above the top of the of the river, typically. So we're like, all right, we're safe. Like we're we're we're way above this flood. And then within one hour, it had risen another ten feet.
David Rind
00:04:59
Wow.
Olivia Cooner
00:05:03
And we started to see things go by like hay bales and pumpkins and some trash. And then it started to get kind of dark and we started to see propane tanks. We started to see shipping containers. We started to see houses start floating by.
David Rind
00:05:23
Whole houses just floating down the river.
Olivia Cooner
00:05:25
We saw four whole houses floating down the river and then just said, yeah, we we have a little corner store about a block away from us. We watched that detach and float down the river in front of our house. It was terrifying once we realized how fast it was. It was rising, I think when the water was about ten feet from the edge of the property, we decided to go bags and we were prepared to hike up the mountain. And at that point, I had a thought in my mind that we might experience a landslide from behind the house because there's a steep incline behind the house. And I was like, okay.
David Rind
00:06:04
But you were kind of trapped on two sides.
Olivia Cooner
00:06:07
Well, I mean, if that were the case, we would just would have been swept into the river. And I was trying not to think about that because that wasn't a possibility. That wasn't happening right then and there. But I was like, this is this could be bad either way. And sure enough, the river did rise up to the property line and was flashing over the edge. Our basement was flooding. At this point, all of our trees and power lines were gone. A power line had fallen into our house and we watched somebody try to drive on the roads and get swept down the river in their truck.
David Rind
00:06:40
My God.
Olivia Cooner
00:06:41
And that was it was absolutely horrifying to watch. And there's nothing we could do about it.
David Rind
00:06:53
So did you decide to go up the mountain or stay put? What? What did you do?
Olivia Cooner
00:06:59
No, we we actually noticed that the water was starting to go down a little bit at around 11:30 a.m. and then it started to rain more and then it went up a little bit. And it was kind of just like a waiting game. But we had all of our bags packed ready to go with the water had risen another inch or two, we would have been going up the mountain. So we're very lucky, very fortunate that we're alive and unharmed and the house is still standing.
David Rind
00:07:24
But you're still in the house and and all the roads, obviously no way out. How long were you there?
Olivia Cooner
00:07:29
So once the water went down, we weren't sure if we still had a road, if we weren't sure if we had a bridge from the way that the water was flowing. And we realized very quickly that we were stuck, we would not be able to leave. And then the first it was so quiet. The first the first day that we were there, the rest of Friday, we didn't see a single helicopter. We didn't see a plane. We didn't see neighbors. We didn't see anybody. We were completely alone.
David Rind
00:07:54
Were you able to call for help?
Olivia Cooner
00:07:56
'No. I mean, there's nobody to call to. We actually we we shot a gun to see if anybody would hear it and come to us, and nobody did. We were obviously without water and power. Luckily, we had stocked up on some water and some some non-perishables. And over the next few days, it was just a waiting game. We did not see any official help until Monday. The National Guard came for a total of four hours and set up some little supplies camp and offered to take us to a shelter. But I mean, the time up until then, we did not see a single single helicopter or plane fly over us. There was no official help. The first people we saw that could have helped anybody who had injuries or needed food or water desperately were two people from the Volunteer Fire fire department. They showed up before anybody else.
David Rind
00:08:49
Well, so you mentioned the National Guard came. Did they take you down? Like how did you get out?
Olivia Cooner
00:08:56
So this is a really interesting part of part of our personal story. And at this point, we had been missing for about 72 hours and there were Facebook groups looking for us and somehow a family that was looking for their elderly grandparents hiked in the night before we we knew of any kind of help coming or anything. They found a way to hike in and rescue their elderly grandparents. And they saw my boyfriend and I night outside and their daughter reported that to the Facebook group and compared what they saw to picture of us and confirmed that we were alive and where to find us. With my family. The couple that rescue their grandparents came back for all of their dogs the next day and told us that they had been in contact with our family and that our family was on the way and coming to us. So the National Guard came and was like, Do you want us to take you to a shelter? And we were like, No, we know our family is coming to us and we'd rather stay put. We know that there's a way in and out now. We don't know where it is, but they might. We're going to stay put. So there's no there's no cell service or way to communicate with them. And we didn't want to lose them or them get to us all the way to us just for us not to be there. So we just decided to stay. We had enough food and water to just stay put for another couple of days. So they showed up on Monday evening. We saw them across the bridge. They yelled for us and we had to hike through a bunch and climb through a bunch of debris that was on the collapsed bridge to get to them and get them down. And then they stayed in our house. And then the next morning, we we set out and we we we got out in their car.
David Rind
00:10:46
'I want to ask about the response because, you know, unfortunately, these disasters can be come quickly politicized, especially in an election year. And there's been a lot of misinformation pushed out on social media and beyond, especially by former President Donald Trump about the response. For example, allegations of anti-Republican bias in the relief efforts, how FEMA stole disaster relief funds and gave it to migrants, that there were no helicopters or rescue efforts at all in North Carolina. All of that lies. But I guess I'm wondering, is any are any of those talking points breaking through like the people, you know, that lived through this or in around the area? Do they hear that stuff?
Olivia Cooner
00:11:25
Yeah. Honestly, where it's we're mostly ignoring it because we're all just coming together as a community, putting all political views aside and just helping each other. We do feel a little bit abandoned by our government. We haven't seen a single Red Cross truck. We applied for FEMA and we were actually denied any kind of funding, which were the perfect candidates for it. And we just got a one night hotel credit, which is useless. And it's also, you know, from what we understand, they're giving away $750 to people, and that's just about it. And that's one month of of groceries and gas. That doesn't you know, people are still having to pay their mortgages. People are still having to pay rent. Landlords are still demanding rent. It's I mean, it's just it's not enough.
David Rind
00:12:13
Well, I'm curious where you heard about that 750, because that that is one of those numbers that has been touted by former President Trump as an example of the failings of the response here. But I don't I don't know if that's quite the full reality for like the entire picture. Like, where where have you heard that number.
Olivia Cooner
00:12:33
Of friends who have gotten $750 from FEMA who have lost entire houses? People that I know personally. FEMA has been pushing away people coming with resources, trying to help. So it's really the people on on the ground right now that are helping each other. If we ever get funding from the government, it's going to be a lengthy process. But people need money and resources right now. And those are the people who are really coming through when our government is failing us.
David Rind
00:13:06
We should note that $750 number Olivia referenced there. That is just the immediate upfront aid survivors can get to cover, you know, really basic short term expenses, but they can also apply for additional forms of assistance like temporary housing and home repairs that could be worth thousands of dollars more if they are approved. And that's just assistance from the federal government. There's also money that federal government provides to state governments to help. We should also note that initial $750 for serious needs assistance is a number that fluctuates from year to year, no matter who is in the White House. The damage to your home. What is what does that look like for us?
Olivia Cooner
00:13:52
'You know, it's it's going to be a pain in the butt because we don't have flood insurance. So our basement flooded. There's there's already mold. Before we left, a power line crashed into our house. And also our driveway is completely ripped up and is also a palace. And it's not part of the public road. So we're going to have to pay for all of this out-of-pocket. So we have a a go fund me set up for just our living expenses and house expenses, too.
David Rind
00:14:20
But you are planning to go back?
Olivia Cooner
00:14:22
Yes, we are. I mean, we don't want to abandon Asheville. It's such a special place. There's so many people that are working already to do rebuilding it and have plans to rebuild it. We don't we want to go back. I mean, we we own that house and we put so much into it. We we love it so much.
David Rind
00:14:40
I mean, what I was wondering because after the storm hit, there was some talk about how the Asheville area specifically was a quote unquote, climate haven, you know, a desirable place to live that would be shielded from the worst impacts of climate change. Experts basically said, yeah, that was never actually a thing, guys. That's all coming for us no matter where we live. Yeah, but did that idea factor in your choice of of living in that area?
Olivia Cooner
00:15:03
I mean, yes or no? It's it was kind of like a a little bit of a comfort in the back of our minds. But we both have family in that area, so that's the main reason we moved out there and that's why we're committed to going back.
David Rind
00:15:14
So you want to go back to your home, which will still be right next to a river, right? Yeah. So after all this happened, like, do you have any sense that this can actually be safe just based on how quickly it flooded and overtook the entire area?
Olivia Cooner
00:15:31
Yeah, I mean, it is it is a risk. I think everything living any and any kind of area is is a risk with climate change. At this point, the facts tell us that this is a 1 in 1000 year flood. So we are we are basing going back on that the the land that the house is built on is still there. It is not eroded. The house is solid. Like I said, there's damage, but it is mostly intact. And like I said, we we really do love it. We put so much work into it. And we we're we're planning on going back and staying. I want everybody to know how how much every single person, every individual, every business needs money, needs help. We all need money. We've lost our jobs. We are we've lost everything. If you do want to help on the ground. I really want you to know that coming in, you need to bring your own food. You need to bring your own water. You need to bring your own gas. Don't expect to stay in a hotel room. And if you are not prepared for that, physically, mentally, please don't come and just donate directly to organizations on the ground that are doing all of the work. It's worse in person than anything on the media. Anything that you can see online shows you the vastness of this. This disaster is unlike anything that I have ever seen or heard of in my entire life.
David Rind
00:17:00
Well, I'm glad you and your boyfriend are safe and wishing you nothing but the best. Thank you. As you go forward, Olivia, thank you so much.
Olivia Cooner
00:17:09
Thank you. Also, shout out Dolly Parton.
David Rind
00:17:12
I feel like that's an evergreen statement, right?
Olivia Cooner
00:17:15
Yes. Yes. She's already she's already stepping up. I think more people should follow her lead.
David Rind
00:17:24
Yeah, if you miss this. Dolly Parton, the legendary country singer and Appalachian native, announced last week she's donating $1 million to help victims of Hurricane Helene. And if you want to learn more about how you can help. Just head over to cnn.com/impact.
David Rind
00:17:50
One thing is a production of CNN Audio. This episode was produced by Paola Ortiz and me, David Rind. Our senior producers are Felicia Patinkin and Faiz Jamil. Matt Dempsey is our production manager. Dan Dzula is our technical director, and Steve Lickteig is the executive producer of CNN Audio. We get support from Haley Thomas, Alex Mannaseri, Robert Mathers, John Dianora, Leni Steinhart, Jamus Andrest, Nichole Pesaru, and Lisa Namerow. Special thanks to Wendy Brundage and Katie Henneman for up to the minute updates on Hurricane Milton. Head over to CNN.com, the CNN app, or check out the CNN 5 Things podcast wherever you listen. We're going to be back on Friday this week with something really special. I think you're going to like it. So be sure to hit the follow button so you don't miss it. Talk to you later.